Mr. Liebeler. Did you ever have any political discussions with Oswald?
Mrs. Ray. Not—I do not know enough because—I do not know anything about politics. Let us say I could not discuss it intelligently, therefore, I usually stay away from that subject.
Mr. Liebeler. Did you form an opinion of Marina Oswald prior to the assassination based on your exposure to her?
Mrs. Ray. Yes; I felt terribly sorry for her. I felt that Lee probably would never make her any kind of a living the way he was, just made so little money and did not want her to have any friends, did not want her to learn how to speak English, objected to her wearing makeup; anything she did he objected to, almost everything, and I felt sorry for her because I felt she would be a very lonely girl living in this country and I liked her very much and wanted to help any way I could, and I was——
Mr. Liebeler. Did you think Marina was a particularly intelligent person?
Mrs. Ray. At first I did not because I knew her so short—I mean it was a short time. At the time I thought she was just quiet and a very nice little girl and I thought she was smart but I did not think she was extremely intelligent, but since that time I think she is quite intelligent girl. I think she knows what she is doing.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you think she was immature?
Mrs. Ray. Well, immature—I did at first, I thought she was little immature.
Mr. Liebeler. A little immature?
Mrs. Ray. Yes; then I forget just how young she is. I was probably just as immature as she is right now. It is quite a changeover come over to another country. In your own country might not be considered immature but over here without speaking English and not knowing a lot of things, people might consider you immature where you really not.