Mr. Jenner. When you say motorman, do you mean streetcar motorman?

Mrs. Murret. Yes. They had those handbrakes at that time, and he taken out the first mule car, I think—when they had mule cars, before they had the handbrakes on the cars.

Mr. Jenner. All right. Now, did any of you children have a formal education, beyond high school?

Mrs. Murret. No.

Mr. Jenner. Did you all attend and finish high school, other than John who died when he was 18?

Mrs. Murret. No.

Mr. Jenner. Well, did John finish high school?

Mrs. Murret. No.

Mr. Jenner. Did Charles?

Mrs. Murret. No. Charles went in the Navy during the wartime. He made about, oh, I don't know how many trips through Germany, and he was on this transport when the United States seized the "Frederick Digross," and he wrote a beautiful history of his trip, and I loaned it out to someone, and I never did get it back.