Mr. Jenner. Well, that was pursuant to a decree of the court, I suppose.
Mrs. Murret. Yes; of course, during that time, when John was about 2 years old, she married Mr. Oswald.
Mr. Jenner. I will get to that in a minute.
Mrs. Murret. Yes.
Mr. Jenner. Did you have the feeling that this experience with Edward Pic embittered her?
Mrs. Murret. I really couldn't say. I don't think so, though. She seemed to be pretty happy with Mr. Oswald.
Mr. Jenner. Before we get to Oswald now, did she complain or did she show any reaction from the divorce or anything, or was she getting along all right on what he was giving her and what he was giving John?
Mrs. Murret. Well, she was getting along on what she was getting from him for herself and John, I think, and she would come over to our home. We lived on Dumaine Street at that time, but very near there, and I would give her all the help I could, and they would come over to dinner and things, but then I remember one time when John was sick, when he was a baby, he had this ear infection and she sent for Eddie. She said she was getting tired of staying up all night long, and for him to come over and stay a while, and he did.
Well, I think they had it out at that time. I don't know about that, but anyway, I think that was about the only time that Eddie saw John, was during the time that he had this ear trouble, when he was an infant. She wouldn't let John see Eddie. For myself, I thought that was cruel, because I don't believe in that.
Mr. Jenner. Now I am interested in that, Mrs. Murret. You say she refused to permit her former husband to see the child?