And Marina was exactly opposite all of these things. In fact, in spite of that, she was a pharmacologist, that means she has a good head. But somehow she was not at all what I would picture as a Soviet girl. It was entirely opposite, and maybe she is an exception, or maybe they all are, I don't know.
Mr. Jenner. And she related to you these wild parties and orgies in Minsk? Was that in the presence of Lee?
Mrs. De Mohrenschildt. No; I don't think so. Lee was there very, very little, because he was always working or something. One evening I talked with her very long when she came over to go to the dentist, and the baby was asleep and George was asleep, and she wanted to talk, and we sat down and had some wine and she could smoke all she wanted and she had wine that she wanted. So she told me quite a lot of things. I was really sorry for her.
I gave her a nylon nightgown and a little nylon coat that went on and she was sitting and touching it. "Can you imagine me wearing that," you know. It was to her something out of this world, to have such things on her. That was sort of touching, you know. She really is pleasant. You cannot be very angry with her.
Mr. Jenner. You have testified for quite awhile. Now, tell me what kind of a person she was? What is your definite impression now? You have told me she told you about these wild orgies. When you use that expression I assume they were parties of——
Mrs. De Mohrenschildt. Sexual orgies. I mean the things that would never occur to us.
Mr. Jenner. In this country?
Mrs. De Mohrenschildt. In this country. I would say China, too. I was brought up in China and never heard of such things, you know. Youth never acted like that at all.
So it definitely looks like a degeneration, you know, definitely degeneration.
Mr. Jenner. You found her, while you knew she was a pharmacist——