Mr. Jenner. Would you relate that and your conversations with her on that score?

Mrs. Paine. Yes. I might go back and say that in March when she first mentioned to me she was expecting a child and we talked about birth control, at that time I also said in March that I would be glad to go with her after the birth of the baby to the Planned Parenthood Clinic to get advice and necessary help, so that she could prevent further conceptions if she wished to.

Mr. Jenner. Was she concerned about the ability, for example, I am just casting about for a reason to stimulate your recollection, the ability of Lee to support a family of additional children, a larger family?

Mrs. Paine. I recall her commenting, and this most likely in the fall, that Lee had said to her, have as many children as she wanted, but her own feeling was that it is difficult to raise two, and especially as they didn't have a great deal of money, that two would be a good size family. We also discussed the differing attitudes between Americans and Russians on what is a large family. Two is considered quite a large family, two or three in Russia, where both parents normally work, and it is difficult to support a very large family.

Mr. Jenner. And did you keep the appointment with Planned Parenthood?

Mrs. Paine. No.

Mr. Jenner. Did you ever attend with her a Planned Parenthood meeting or session, visit?

Mrs. Paine. Her husband was killed before it was time to go.

Mr. Jenner. That is, Lee Oswald was?

Mrs. Paine. One had to wait until at least 6 weeks after the birth of the baby before going, or 5 or 6 weeks.