I recall Marina's saying that Lee Oswald looked upon his brother Robert as a fool in that he was primarily interested in his home and family and that his interests in the world didn't really step beyond that. Marina commented then herself on this, and said she thought those were very legitimate interests.
Mr. Jenner. In his presence?
Mrs. Paine. No; not in his presence. She was telling me what Lee had said when he was not there.
Mr. Jenner. What is your impression of Robert Oswald?
Mrs. Paine. Well, as I have testified, I have very little impression of him, having only met him twice. I might add to that that he seems a nice guy, as far as I can see—fairly regular, plain person. But that is my guess. I cannot say I have a clear impression of my own.
Mr. Jenner. Do you recall an occasion when Marina had a conversation with Mrs. Gravitis?
Mrs. Paine. By telephone. Oh, no; we went over one time, I think.
Mr. Jenner. And there was a conversation that went back and forth about their life in the United States up to that point?
Mrs. Paine. Yes; some of that conversation went back and forth faster than I could follow it.
Mr. Jenner. Well, do you recall an incident in the course of that conversation in which Mrs. Gravitis made a remark that anyone could get work in that locality, and that there was plenty of construction work going on, to which Marina responded that construction work was beneath the dignity of her husband?