Mr. Liebeler. That is just——
Mr. Ray. He might have been smarter than we thought or smarter than the people that knew him thought; I don't know.
Mr. Liebeler. That is just your own thought on it?
Mr. Ray. That is my own thoughts on it, see.
Mr. Davis. Have you all—I might inject here—have you all gone over the point—did you ever discuss with your wife or the Mellers or any of these other people that it was strange about them being able to come out of Russia so easily? It was strange about him being able to move about in Russia so easily? Was it with all of them the consensus that it was unusual; were they somewhat amazed?
Mr. Ray. I don't know whether they were or not but I was amazed and my wife was, too, that he went over there and left this country and denounced his citizenship and then a couple of years later or longer—how long was he over there? Anyway, they let him——
Mr. Davis. Going on 3 years.
Mr. Ray. Come back and bring his wife with him. That looked kind of ridiculous to me.
Mr. Liebeler. And that question was discussed in your meeting in the Meller's house and subsequently discussed between you and your wife, wasn't it?
Mr. Ray. Yes.