Mr. Jenner. I do want to ask you this—while you were translating the Christmas card message, Mr. Howlett and I measured—we went out in your back yard area, which is large and open, and we measured it and I recited the measurements in the record and the location of your large beautiful shade trees. I noted that there traverses from east to west your yard in the rear a clothesline.

Mrs. Paine. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. And I measured that as being located at 19½ feet south of the back porch—of the back fence?

Mrs. Paine. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. Is that the clothesline to which you made reference when you testified last week in Washington as to where Marina was on the midafternoon or early afternoon of November 22 when you went out to advise her that you had heard over the radio the name "Lee Oswald" in connection with events that day?

Mrs. Paine. No; it was not that that I heard. I heard that a shot had been fired from the School Book Depository Building and this is what I told her.

Mr. Jenner. And is that clothesline and those posts which support the clothesline and from which the line is stretched across the yard in the same position now as those posts were on that day?

Mrs. Paine. Yes; they are.

Mr. Jenner. And on that occasion?

Mrs. Paine. I can't remember whether as part of my testimony describing the evening of November 22, I said that Marina told me that when I reported to her the situation at the clothesline that the TV had announced that the shots which hit the President were fired from the School Book Depository. She recalled that to me in the evening and told me when I had told her this, her heart went to the bottom. I don't recall whether I included that, but I remember that during the Commission hearings—I have recalled it since.