Mr. Paine. Yes.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you recall that your wife went on a trip to the eastern part of the United States in the fall of 1963, summer-fall of 1963?
Mr. Paine. It was mostly the summer. She went about July and she spent a couple of months, the end of July, I think.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you know approximately when she got back to Irving?
Mr. Paine. Well, I think she came by around September 24 is the date, I don't remember whether that was the date she arrived in New Orleans or the date she arrived at Irving.
Mr. Liebeler. Now, after she did return to Irving, and as you said brought Marina and the child with her, do you recall whether she also brought Oswald's personal and household effects?
Mr. Paine. Yes; I do remember she asked me to unpack or take some of the heavy things out of the car. I think that was only dufflebags but whatever it was it was so easy, I didn't really notice what it was to take out.
Mr. Liebeler. That was shortly after she returned from her trip?
Mr. Paine. That would suggest either the same day or the next day.
Mr. Liebeler. Now——