Mr. Liebeler. When you moved this package around, did it appear to you that there was more than one object inside of it or did it appear to be a solid piece or just what was your feeling?
Mr. Paine. I didn't think. It remained in the package—nothing jelled. I think I thought about it more than once because my thoughts didn't hold together enough.
Mr. Liebeler. Did it rattle at all when you moved it?
Mr. Paine. No; it didn't rattle.
Mr. Liebeler. Now——
Mr. Paine. I kind of rejected the shovel idea because that was not, that was too symmetrical.
Mr. Liebeler. What was too symmetrical?
Mr. Paine. The shovel the shaft and the blade of the shovel are symmetrical, the shaft is on the center line of the shovel and here this wider area had to be offset somehow.
Mr. Liebeler. You said you thought it was about 30 inches long?
Mr. Paine. No; I am just telling you. I picked up a package which I first thought camping equipment, heavy iron pipes, and then I tried, then later, maybe when I had left, I tried to think, well, what kind of camping equipment has that little stub on it that goes off at an angle or asymmetric like that, and the flat end down there and I tried to put a shovel in there to fill out the bag, and with the camping equipment, to the shape of the thing.