Mr. Liebeler. Did your hand actually close around it?
Mr. Paine. It did not close around it. At the other end I grabbed it when I picked it up, grabbing it, I will draw my fingers here. This is the thumb.
Mr. Liebeler. The witness has sketched——
Mr. Paine. In that fashion there. That was, say, 2 inches thick with the blanket.
Mr. Liebeler. Witness has drawn at the end marked "B" his hand indicating how he picked it up and said that at that end it was about 2 inches thick, including the blanket.
When you grabbed it at that end could you tell whether the blanket was wrapped tight up around the object that was inside or whether it was just a fold of the blanket at that end?
Mr. Paine. I thought it was, my impression was that it was all tightly wrapped and that the blanket had strings around it—I can't recall exactly but it was tied with strings, I don't remember where the strings were and I thought the fold in the blanket came up along here somewhere. I thought it was wrapped, the blanket was folded over.
Mr. Liebeler. In other words, your testimony is that at end "B"?
Mr. Paine. But my memory there is so feeble, so uncertain. I remember this measurement of the pipe because I pictured that in my mind at the time so I was thinking about that.
I was trying to fit the shovel in and I remember saying that is too asymmetric. My impression was I would have said that there would have been a fold over it. I have read since that Marina looked in the end of this package and saw the butt end of a rifle. Now I didn't remember that it was something easy to look into like that. I though it was well wrapped up.