Mr. Liebeler. In the fall of 1963?
Mr. Paine. Yes.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you say the curtain rods are still in the garage?
Mr. Paine. Yes, I think so.
Mr. Liebeler. Approximately how long are they?
Mr. Paine. Well, I think this is, when they expand, I guess the curtain rods themselves are 32½ inches to 3 feet, but the two of them slide together to make a pair, this expanding type just of rod metal.
Mr. Liebeler. Approximately how long are they, would you say, when they are fitted together and in their collapsed state or their——
Mr. Paine. As I say, those came out of the house or she would not have, I was trying to think of some of the paper she might have had that resembles this, but the thing she bought new would be the shades, the window shades to go in place of those curtain rods.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you remember seeing any paper in the garage that might have been a package in which those shades came?
Mr. Paine. No, I don't recall any.