Mr. Liebeler. Has Ruth ever spoken to you of the Kloepfers?
Mr. Paine. Not that I can recall.
Mr. Liebeler. My understanding is they lived there in New Orleans.
Mr. Paine. Oh, then I don't know them. No.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you know a Charles Edward Harris?
Mr. Paine. No.
Mr. Liebeler. Florence McDonald?
Mr. Paine. I know Elizabeth MacDonald, I think it is.
Mr. Liebeler. Who is she?
Mr. Paine. She was a friend of—she would come to these madrigal groups and I think she a a friend of either of Everett or of Pierce or something like that. It was in connection with the madrigal sings and I think they were the ones who brought them into circulation.