Mr. Liebeler. What did she tell you?
Mr. Paine. I can't remember whether she has told me so much more since November 22 and I can't remember whether she may have said before that. She was telling me how he was persistent, diligent in trying to learn, not very particularly skilled, and apparently quite pleased at the whole process. He was grateful to her and one of the nicest kinds of communication she had with him.
Mr. Liebeler. Did she say anything about his ability to drive a car?
Mr. Paine. She thought it was pretty crude. He was having trouble operating the clutch, and over-controlling the stick, or the steering wheel. Those are my words. She didn't use "over-controlling" but put it in some other way.
Mr. Liebeler. The station wagon has a straight transmission.
Mr. Paine. No; it is an automatic transmission, power brakes.
Mr. Liebeler. Was he practicing on the station wagon or——
Mr. Paine. Yes; over-controlling the stick, I was thinking of an airplane.
Mr. Liebeler. I thought you mentioned the clutch.
Mr. Paine. Maybe it was the brake; did I mention the clutch?