Mr. Liebeler. Have you ever met Lyman Paine? That would be Michael's father. Did you ever discuss Lyman Paine with Michael?
Mr. Krystinik. Only once. We talked about him a couple of times, but one time Michael, just prior to Michael buying the land in Irving for his future shop.
Mr. Liebeler. Can you tell us approximately when that was?
Mr. Krystinik. No, sir; I can't remember, but it was about a week prior to his buying the land.
Mr. Liebeler. I see.
Mr. Krystinik. I can fix the time. He had commented that he had been invited by his father to the west coast for the weekend.
I know that the previous time Michael had been saving his money to buy this land, and I feel that he didn't have enough money at the time, and he flew out on a Friday evening, if I remember correctly, and flew back to Dallas early Monday morning, and he was sleepy and tired at work that day. We talked and I asked him if he had a nice time visiting with his father, and he commented that he had a nice time and that his father had a very nice party. And it seemed this was somewhat of an international party. He talked about this Negress that he had met who was extremely interesting. Her husband had written a book on labor, and he talked mainly about this woman and the conversation he had with her.
Mr. Liebeler. This conversation occurred at a party that Lyman Paine had given in Los Angeles is that correct?
Mr. Krystinik. Yes; that's right. He didn't tell me in detail why he was particularly interested. He said she was a very interesting person, and that he had talked to a group of other people, several other people. He said that there was a man from West or East Germany, and I remember he said that there were some Chinese people there, and I don't remember whether they were or were not from the Communist bloc. I don't remember that. But he commented on several other people that were, in my book, I would say they were each one an extremist of some form or other at the time—at the time that he was telling me about them. They were at least very different than you would meet on the street. That doesn't make them bad, don't misunderstand me. That was the impression I had. He didn't say they were Communist or bad people or anything like that. They were just very, very different.
Mr. Liebeler. Did Michael indicate to you that his father had been active in the affairs of the Communist Party?