Mr. Jenner. That morning—that she did go out to the kitchen that morning and she found that he had not prepared any breakfast?

Mr. Mamantov. No; I'll put it this way. She apparently slept a little bit longer after he left, and when she got up and went into the kitchen she found out he didn't eat breakfast, which was surprising to her. From this I made my opinion that she usually prepared breakfast for him and she ate.

Mr. Jenner. Excuse me, sir; when you testified a moment ago that she said she usually prepared breakfast for him, were you then rationalizing from the circumstance you have just stated, or do you recall that she said that?

Mr. Mamantov. I understood—here's my problem—either I recall or I recall future instances from translating her life history.

Mr. Jenner. It is important, Mr. Mamantov, for you to recall and to exclude from your mind—it is very difficult I appreciate—and to exclude from your mind what you have learned and to exclude from your mind what you have learned afterwards; that is, after November 22d.

Mr. Mamantov. I realize that.

Mr. Jenner. What I am trying to get now is exactly to the best of your powers of recall, what was said on that occasion by her without your rationalizing from facts you recall as to what she might have said; do you understand?

Mr. Mamantov. I understand. As far as I know, she said that he didn't return backward—I mean—come back to her—she didn't get up at the time he was leaving. After a while she got up.

Mr. Jenner. Excuse me; now, as a result of this further questioning it is your present recollection that at the time you were doing the translating you——

Mr. Mamantov. Right.