Mr. Jenner. But Marina was not present at that time?
Mr. Mamantov. No, no; our family haven't seen Marina in our lives. Mother-in-law never have seen Marina—was except at a distance at Sears store, except that time.
Mr. Jenner. Your information is that there never was any direct contact between your mother-in-law and Marina except on the telephone?
Mr. Mamantov. On telephone.
Mr. Jenner. And, was that by way of the telephone?
Mr. Mamantov. That's correct.
Mr. Jenner. And you were not present, in the presence of your mother-in-law, when your mother-in-law had that conversation with Marina?
Mr. Mamantov. No, sir; I was at work. You see, she lived—if I can take your time, I can tell you how it happened, if it is important I can. I don't want to take your time.
Mr. Jenner. I want to avoid hearsay, and that's why I am going a little carefully at this moment because, on this trip we plan to talk with your mother-in-law and take her testimony directly, just not hearsay.
Mr. Mamantov. That's what I thought, but the reason she talked was because Marina was at Paine's house and Paine went to San Antonio and asked my mother-in-law to check on Marina because Marina was pregnant at that time—you see the connection?