Mr. Jenner. I meant to imply that.
Mr. Mamantov. Put it this way—all of them have lower educational level than I do, except De Mohrenschildt.
Mr. Jenner. De Mohrenschildt has a higher education, as you do?
Mr. Mamantov. Right.
Mr. Jenner. Most of these other people have the qualifications or are interested in what?
Mr. Mamantov. De Mohrenschildt has the same or a little bit low——
Mr. Jenner. As yours?
Mr. Mamantov. As mine. We are both geologists and might be called miners, and the Voshinins are the same.
Mr. Jenner. Who else?
Mr. Mamantov. Grigor'ev—this was the benefactor of that church. That's called Grigor'ev, he was the benefactor of that church. Voshinin, Bouhe, all of us were on the same educational level. The rest of them were below high-school education, especially like in Mr. Bouhe's case, he is an accountant, and a Latvian—Mrs. Grolle, G-r-o-l-l-e [spelling], and the first name is Emma. Now, who else was there—now, an Estonian couple who are very active—Hartens, H-a-r-t-en-s [spelling], and his first name, I don't remember, but if you need it exactly, we take the telephone book—all of these names are in the telephone book. This group actually was very active in organizing.