Mr. Jenner. And you attended this institute for 4 years, did you not?
Mr. De Mohrenschildt. For 5 years.
Mr. Jenner. Well, you received——
Mr. De Mohrenschildt. Yes; all the degrees you can get there.
Mr. Jenner. This is one of the oldest commercial institutions of higher learning in Europe?
Mr. De Mohrenschildt. Yes.
Mr. Jenner. Something like the Harvard Business School?
Mr. De Mohrenschildt. Yes; founded by Napoleon.
Mr. Jenner. And you received a——
Mr. De Mohrenschildt. It is a mixture of some engineering and commercial—not exactly like Harvard School of Business Administration. It lets you carry on industrial and business activities, with a specialization in maritime transportation.