Mr. Raigorodsky. I went to the university there and I am escaping from Russia—I fought against the Bolsheviks in two different armies and then came to the United States with the help of the American Red Cross and the YMCA.

Mr. Jenner. When was that?

Mr. Raigorodsky. In December—the 28th, 1920.

Mr. Jenner. 1940?

Mr. Raigorodsky. 1920.

Mr. Jenner. How old are you, by the way?

Mr. Raigorodsky. Sixty-five—exactly.

May I have this not on the record?

Mr. Jenner. All right.

(Discussion between Counsel Jenner and the witness off the record at this point.)