Mr. De Mohrenschildt. Either one of them—the one who is in the advertising business.

Mr. Jenner. George Bouhe.

Mr. De Mohrenschildt. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. He is a leader of the community, is he?

Mr. De Mohrenschildt. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. John and Elena Hall?

Mr. De Mohrenschildt. Yes.

Mr. Jenner. What is their history?

Mr. De Mohrenschildt. Well, she is——

Mr. Jenner. I mean derivation.