And I do hope that the country eventually will come out and become human again, and I think it is getting to be more and more human.
But it is still a far cry from freedom, from the freedom like we have. That was the most wonderful thing. When I came here—unfortunately, I landed in New York. I didn't want to, but my brother was in New York and he said you come right away to New York.
I love California, because of the climate. I like sunshine. So I came to New York, and New York, of course, was very depressing to me, because it was dirty. And I had an idea that all the white countries and white cities must be clean, because white people are not supposed to spit on the floor, and they don't throw papers around. They are supposed to be well mannered.
And then I came in in that awful New York. And, of course, I had almost no money. I had to use subways. It was very, very bad.
But then I saw all of a sudden on the street there is a gathering of people, somebody is standing and shouting and talking and saying anything he wants to. And I said, what is going on? They said he is just saying something—I forgot what it was all about. But how people were talking freely and expressing themselves openly.
Mr. Jenner. They had a right to do that?
Mrs. De Mohrenschildt. Yes; And in China—you see, we were always—we never could say anything openly, for many reasons.
First, I don't know, but I assume there was a lot of Red spies probably everywhere. So we could never say too much.
Then there were Japanese that came over. We couldn't say anything again.
So we were trained as children just to be quiet, never talk because you never know who may overhear, and then tomorrow goodbye, something will happen to you. That is the atmosphere that I was brought up in.