Mr. Bargas. Right.

Mr. Jenner. And what did you tell her you wanted in the way of an employee?

Mr. Bargas. I wanted a suitable employee that we could train that had some sheet metal experience, that we could train—that was willing to learn, starting at a low grade.

Mr. Jenner. When was this?

Mr. Bargas. I do not know exactly the date.

Mr. Jenner. I have a date in my notes of July 17, 1962, does that approximate it?

Mr. Bargas. That's approximately right.

Mr. Jenner. It was in 1962?

Mr. Bargas. I believe it was.

Mr. Jenner. And it was in July sometime?