Mr. Jenner. Is that the impression you had of him?
Mr. Graef. Yes; at that time—from that time on I did have that impression.
Mr. Jenner. Now, was this more an impression you gained from several incidents rather than one isolated incident?
Mr. Graef. No; of course, I have to take into account the evidence of all the other people—some of the things that they said and the way they didn't get along with him and then I saw the way he acted at this particular time, and I had never been particularly close enough to the boy so that I knew his personality. He was strictly a worker who was training and he did the job, or tried to do the job, and so I wasn't very close to his personality at all until this particular incident. It was only when he began—after, we'll say, he got out from under my wing as a trainer and began up to that time—he was following me around and was doing what I told him and there was very little chance for him to be alone with anyone and we didn't have any friction for about the first 2 or 3 months that he was employed, but he then began to be given the responsibility of doing these jobs himself.
Mr. Jenner. Himself and with others?
Mr. Graef. And with others.
Mr. Jenner. But not under your very immediate supervision?
Mr. Graef. Not under my immediate supervision; no.
Mr. Jenner. Did this call for him, then, to work and cooperate with others?
Mr. Graef. Right