Mr. Ofstein. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner. He is head of what?

Mr. Ofstein. He is a supervisor in charge of the camera department, and I talked with him at approximately 9 o'clock and he seemed satisfied—he would give me a try as a trainee, and wanted to know when I could come to work, and I told him that morning and I went to work immediately.

Mr. Jenner. Had you had any experience in the use of cameras?

Mr. Ofstein. Not in the same type of camera—no, sir.

Mr. Jenner. What experience had you had in camera work?

Mr. Ofstein. It had been strictly pleasure photography with smaller cameras.

Mr. Jenner. Had you done any developing work?

Mr. Ofstein. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner. You had had some darkroom experience?