Mr. Ofstein. Well, they go on an experience and seniority basis as to overtime. The people with more seniority have a choice as to whether they want to work or not and usually they do.

Mr. Jenner. To make that extra money?

Mr. Ofstein. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner. And also, does skill have anything to do with it—you mentioned experience—you meant to include in that experience—his skill for the level of attainment?

Mr. Ofstein. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner. And he had not reached the point at which all of these factors combined enabled him to command or be reasonably fortunate in respect to having overtime work?

Mr. Ofstein. Right.

Mr. Jenner. Had your skills reached the point at which you had overtime work on Saturday when you sought it?

Mr. Ofstein. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner. What about his aptitudes with respect to the work for which he was being trained?