Mr. Jenner. Tell us about them.
Mr. Glover. Again I have to give an overall impression I got. This may be partly as a result of questioning from some of the people present, but among the things that came out was that, and again I mentioned this before in connection with the other meeting, it is an overall impression—he was apparently a Marxist.
Now I am not sure that I can say that he said exactly these words himself, or whether this was repeated to me after by Schmidt or Pierce or Mrs. Paine or someone, but as I say, I pay less attention to what a person says in detail than to the overall impression of what their style is; but I do remember specifically that he or someone else present said he was a Marxist——
Mr. Jenner. What impression did you have of the distinction, if any, between Marxism and Communism?
Mr. Glover. Well, with reference specifically to the so-called Communist regime, the impression I got was that he was a Marxist theoretically, but he did not like what he saw in Russia. He didn't like it and came back, but apparently this did not satisfy him.
Mr. Jenner. He had theories, but what he saw in Russia didn't measure up to those theories?
Mr. Glover. Apparently so.
Mr. Jenner. His so-called ideals?
Mr. Glover. Yes.
Mr. Jenner. In any event, he had—what he had come back to here in America didn't measure up to what he——