Mr. Tobias. I saw it a lot of times.

Mr. Jenner. She did the lugging?

Mr. Tobias. Yes—sure.

Mr. Jenner. Did he have an automobile?

Mr. Tobias. No.

Mr. Jenner. Was there ever any conversation with him or conversation occurred in your presence as to whether he could drive an automobile?

Mr. Tobias. No—no.

Mr. Jenner. And when they moved away, they moved away in the perambulator?

Mr. Tobias. They moved away in that stroller.

Mr. Jenner. They couldn't have had very much in the way of household equipment?