Mr. Jenner. How long have you been associated with the YMCA?
Mr. Hulen. Well, since 1945.
Mr. Jenner. And during—you were doing this work at the downtown YMCA?
Mr. Jenner. And the health club is what sort of activity?
Mr. Hulen. The health club is a businessmen's club. We have seven masseurs, we have a steam bath, we have a dry heat bath, we have ultraviolet lights and infrared lights, bar bell equipment and a lot of gymnasium equipment, such as jumping ropes and bicycles and bar bells and medicine balls and stall bars and check weights and I could go on and on.
Mr. Jenner. I think that's enough. You have businessmen who come in, do they join the club or pay a fee?
Mr. Hulen. Yes; we have a yearly membership fee.
Mr. Jenner. If some guest who is a guest of the YMCA, wants to have a rubdown, let us say, or he wants to exercise, is it possible for him to use the facilities of the health club without paying the yearly fee?
Mr. Hulen. Not without paying a fee. He is a member if he lives in the dormitory—he is a member of the YMCA, but not of the health club. So, if he uses our facilities, he pays for them, whatever it might be—ultraviolet; steam bath or massage, and would you want the prices?