Mr. Hulen. Yes, sir; I do.
Mr. Jenner. So that you are able to say with a reasonable degree of certainty, so far as you are concerned, that you never saw that person using the Health Club facilities and you never saw him in the company of Jack Ruby?
Mr. Hulen. That is correct.
Mr. Jenner. Tell us what kind of a fellow Ruby was?
Mr. Hulen. Well, I found——
Mr. Jenner. In your general impression?
Mr. Hulen. I found Jack Ruby to be friendly and courteous and a well-behaved person. He seemed to have a lot of enthusiasm about anything that he liked. He generated a lot of enthusiasm around that. For instance, any athletic events or sports he discussed—he discussed that with the other members, which is the usual topic of well-known weight lifters, for instance, there are several—Reeves and Stanko and I can name several of them.
Mr. Jenner. Was Ruby a weight lifter? Did he dabble at that?
Mr. Hulen. Well, I should define weight lifting and body building. Weight lifting is competing, like you have in the Olympics, which is heavy lifting. In other words, you go to your maximum. Now, in body building, you take a minimum amount of weight and exercise longer—in other words, if you work with the heavy weights you can't work as long with the heavy weights as you can with the lighter weights, and Ruby was more of a body builder. In other words, he worked with the lighter weights over a longer period of time. In other words, he was not after, in my opinion, he wasn't after a large body or bulging muscle, he just wanted to stay in a good general physical condition.
It wasn't necessary for me to set up any kind of a program for him. He had had experience in the past and he knew pretty well what he wanted to do, so actually there was very little, if any, supervision on my part. He used the facilities and behaved very well and I found him to be a nice person to talk to—to visit with.