Mr. Liebeler. Are you sure?
Mr. Rodriguez. But the thing is, Oswald's collar was open and this thing was hanging from one side of it.
Mr. Liebeler. It was a clip-on bow tie?
Mr. Rodriguez. It was a clip-on thing as I recall.
Mr. Liebeler. When did this happen; what month?
Mr. Rodriguez. I can't remember exactly, but I know it was just about 1 year ago, and I presume it was in August.
Mr. Liebeler. Do you remember when Orest Pena went to Puerto Rico?
Mr. Rodriguez. I don't remember when Orest went to Puerto Rico. I don't recall when Orest went to Puerto Rico.
Mr. Liebeler. Was Oswald in the bar before Orest went to Puerto Rico or afterward or while he was gone? Do you remember specifically? Do you remember that he did go to Puerto Rico?
(Discussion between witness and interpreter.)