Mr. Liebeler. It would have been sometime toward the end of September, because you recall that you had already started to pack to move from the Crestwood Apartments to Oak Cliff?

Mrs. Odio. The packages were in the living room, and Annie was helping me. She was actually taking things out of the closet when they came. It took a long time to be sure of that, but I am certain of that.

Mr. Liebeler. Have you discussed this with your sister, Annie?

Mrs. Odio. We had to, yes, sir; and she was convinced it was in late September. Because she had not come the previous week. For 2 weeks, she had not come, but had come the last week to help me pack and move.

Mr. Liebeler. Did you have a lease on your apartment, at the Crestwood Apartments?

Mrs. Odio. No; they don't take you by lease. You give a deposit, and you lose it if you move before 6 months.

Mr. Liebeler. Had you lived at the Crestwood Apartments 6 months?

Mrs. Odio. No. I have told you I moved several times, and it is because of reasons of my work, and because my children at the time were in Puerto Rico, and I went down to get them in Puerto Rico June 29th.

That was exactly the day that I saw Ray again. We had been trying to establish a contact in Dallas with Mr. Johnny Martin, who is from Uruguay. He is from there, and he had heard that I was involved in this movement. And he said that he had a lot of contacts in Latin America to buy arms, particularly in Brazil, and that if he were in contact with one of our chief leaders of the underground, he would be able to sell him second-hand arms that we could use in our revolution.

I don't know if this is legal or illegal, I have no idea. But when he mentioned this fact, I jumped at the possibility that something could be done, because you kind of get desperate when you see your father and mother in prison, and you want to do something for them. So I called Eugenio long distance from Dallas.