Mr. Paine. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler. And you don't have any doubt about that whatsoever?

Mr. Paine. I am perfectly certain that I didn't know he shot at Walker.

Mr. Liebeler. Marina herself goes on to say:

I don't know whether this was the truth or not, I don't know whether it was true or not, but this is what they told me.

And I presume she means that's what Lee had told her.

Mr. Paine. Now, wait—this is—it would be well to check for that "they"—this is testimony in June, you said, and that "they" could possibly be Martin and Thorne. I don't know much about Martin and Thorne either, but I had the impression that they were telling her stories.

Mr. Liebeler. Well, of course, this is what the translator said Marina had said. Marina is going to be here tomorrow and I will ask her about this then and see if she can clarify the record, but the point we want to bring out now at this time is that your testimony is quite clear that you did not know before the assassination that Oswald had shot at General Walker?

Mr. Paine. Yes.

Mr. Liebeler. You testified before that Oswald had shown you one of those newspapers of his one day and said you could tell what they wanted you to do by doing some reading between the lines; is that correct?