Mr. Pic. No.

Mr. Jenner. Did you hear anything to the effect that the reason why your mother and Lee had come to New York had anything to do with Lee's being given some sort of mental tests?

Mr. Pic. No, sir.

Mr. Jenner. Was there a period of time just before the enrollment of Lee in the New York Public School, that he attended for about a month a Lutheran denominational school?

Mr. Pic. I don't know, sir. I am not up to that yet.

Mr. Jenner. I see. All right.

Mr. Pic. At about the same time that Lee was enrolled in school that we had the big trouble. It seems that there was an argument about the TV set one day, and—between my wife and my mother. It seems that according to my wife's statement that my mother antagonized Lee, being very hostile toward my wife and he pulled out a pocketknife and said that if she made any attempt to do anything about it that he would use it on her, at the same time Lee struck his mother. This perturbed my wife to no end. So, I came home that night, and the facts were related to me.

Mr. Jenner. When the facts were related to you was your mother present, Lee present, your wife present? If not, who was present?

Mr. Pic. I think my wife told me this in private, sir. I went and asked my mother about it.

Mr. Jenner. Your mother was home?