Mr. Jenner. Was he inclined to remain in the house rather than go out and play with other children?

Mr. Pic. Yes, sir; he was more inclined to stay in the house than go out and play.

Mr. Jenner. Was that noticeable to you?

Mr. Pic. I wasn't there that much, sir; I was working and going to school, both. I wasn't there to observe this.

Mr. Jenner. I see.

Mr. Pic. Except maybe on a weekend occasionally.

Mr. Jenner. But you did notice that when they came to New York in 1952, particularly in the fall of 1952, that by that time he had become quite headstrong?

Mr. Pic. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner. And that his mother and your mother Marguerite, had pretty well lost any influence or control over him?

Mr. Pic. That is absolutely true, sir.