Mr. Jenner. While you boys were still in Fort Worth and before you enlisted in the Coast Guard in January 1950 had you—you had an automobile, didn't you?

Mr. Pic. I drove the family car.

Mr. Jenner. Did your brother Robert drive?

Mr. Pic. He may have known how. He was not permitted to drive the family car.

Mr. Jenner. I remember when I was a boy I wasn't permitted to drive the family car, in the broad sense.

Mr. Pic. Right. He never swiped it.

Mr. Jenner. I was permitted to drive it up and down the driveway or when my father was with me, I could drive it around the block or something like that the way kids do. Was Robert permitted to do that on a limited scale?

Mr. Pic. I wouldn't remember that, sir.

Mr. Jenner. Did you own what we used to call in my day an old jalopy while you were still in Fort Worth?

Mr. Pic. That picture of that automobile there was quite an old jalopy, sir.