Mr. Jenner. You had that very definite impression?

Mr. Pic. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner. You had——

Mr. Pic. I did not have this impression. She related this to me, sir. I didn't feel she had it any tougher than a lot of people walking around.

Mr. Jenner. That is what I am getting at, this was an impression she was seeking to create.

Mr. Pic. That is right, sir.

Mr. Jenner. You felt she did not have it any tougher. She was creating an impression that did not square with the facts?

Mr. Pic. Yes, sir. Every time she met anyone she would remind them she was a widow with three children.

Mr. Jenner. Do you have an opinion also as to whether this atmosphere in which Lee lived had an effect upon him and his personality?

Mr. Pic. I am sure it did, sir. Also, Lee slept with my mother until I joined the service in 1950. This would make him approximately 10, well, almost 11 years old.