Mr. Pic. No; she always reminded us she worked like a slave to provide for us three boys. She couldn't wait for a day we would grow up and support her.

When Lee visited us in New York he came there a friendly, nice easy-to-like kid.

Mr. Jenner. This is 1952 in the summer?

Mr. Pic. Yes, sir; he had the interest of boys at that age, the Museum of Natural History, sightseeing excursions and so forth. Until the incident where I talked to him we never had a bad word between us other than maybe joking or playing around. I tried to interest him in a hobby of building boats or collecting stamps again while he was——

Mr. Jenner. Had he been interested in those two hobbies?

Mr. Pic. Yes; he and I, all three of us collected stamps. I played chess with Lee quite a bit and Robert, too. We all did this. Played monopoly together, the three of us.

When I approached him on this knife-pulling incident he became very hostile towards me. And he was never the same again with me.

Mr. Jenner. That was the first time he had ever been hostile in that sense towards you?

Mr. Pic. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner. And that rupture was never repaired thereafter?