Mr. Thornley. No.
Mr. Jenner. That he conceived to be the leading side?
Mr. Thornley. No. I had a definite impression of why.
Mr. Jenner. All right.
Mr. Thornley. I think it is a mistake that many people make, and I think it is a mistake he shared, and that is: he looked upon, not only Marxists make this mistake, but he looked upon history as God. He looked upon the eyes of future people as some kind of tribunal, and he wanted to be on the winning side so that 10,000 years from now people would look in the history books and say, "Well, this man was ahead of his time. This man was"—he wanted to be looked back upon with honor by future generations. It was, I think, a substitute, in his case, for traditional religion.
The eyes of the future became what to another man would be the eyes of God, or perhaps to yet another man the eyes of his own conscience.
Mr. Jenner. So it wasn't in the prosaic sense of merely wanting to be on the "winning side."
Mr. Thornley. No.
Mr. Jenner. When things developed——
Mr. Thornley. No; I don't think he expected things to develop within his lifetime. I am sure that he didn't. He just wanted to be on the winning side for all eternity.