Mrs. Gibson. No; I guess this was rather hearsay. I think she told this to my stepmother in conversation, that she wanted very much to come to the United States to make a better life for herself, that she wasn't very much interested in politics, just in a better place to live. Supposedly this is the reason she married Lee.
Mr. Jenner. That was your impression in any event?
Mrs. Gibson. This is what I was told, yes.
Mr. Jenner. Nothing occurred during the period of time that you had this acquaintanceship with the Oswalds that disabused you of that impression?
Mrs. Gibson. No; and I wouldn't say there was a tremendous amount of love lost between them.
Mr. Jenner. Between Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mrs. Gibson. That is right. They quarreled quite a lot.
Mr. Jenner. Would you tell us about this lack of rapport between Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mrs. Gibson. Well, they fought quite a bit. They fought in Russian, always verbally when I saw them, but when she was living with Mrs. Hall in Fort Worth, I was told that he beat her up on numerous occasions, physically assaulted her, and that Mrs. Hall and her, oh, I don't know what you would call him, her fiance, Alex——
Mr. Jenner. Is that Alex, Alexander Kleinlerer?