Mr. Greener. That's right. It would be accurate as far as elevation. The windage part is usually right on target, but the elevation has to do with caliber.

As far as your 6.5 Italian gun is concerned, there is only two types. One is the hand load, and one is the military ammunition. Because there is none of the major ammunition manufacturers that builds a sporting load for that gun, so it either has to be a hand load or old Italian or military ammunition, and the hand load has to do with what size bullet and the power you get, and it would be more important on that gun to shoot it than it would any other caliber or of an American make that you get your larger manufacturers of ammunition loading for.

Mr. Liebeler. Do you have any 6.5 ammunition in your shop?

Mr. Greener. Not 6.5 Italian.

Mr. Liebeler. Have you ever had?

Mr. Greener. We have a 6.5 Swedish and 6.5 Jap, and I believe that is all of these 6.5's.

Mr. Liebeler. Do you do reloading of casings?

Mr. Greener. No.

Mr. Liebeler. The fellow has to do that himself?

Mr. Greener. We sell the components and the loading equipment but we don't do any loading. The only one that I have been able to find out so far that hand loads 6.5 Italian—I don't think this is a possibility, but Ray Acker with Bell Telephone is the only one I know that does any hand loading on 6.5 Italians.