Mr. Hubert. I understand too that his identification, as he stated it to you, was based upon comparison of the mental image he had of the man that had come in with the pictures of Oswald he had seen since the assassination?

Mr. Fenley. On television. And frankly, for that reason, I wasn't too darn sure that he knew what he was talking about. So I mean, you always have this suspicion that somebody is trying to identify in the case or something, and this is precisely why I went to Carter and said, "Why don't you talk to him?"

Mr. Hubert. In other words even on that day you were wondering whether this man really had seen Oswald or not?

Mr. Fenley. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. Did he mention to you anything about Oswald having come to collect any money order in company with the person of Spanish or Latin American appearance?

Mr. Fenley. No; he did one thing, and I am really squeezing my memory here. I believe he said he thought he lived at the "Y" on one occasion, that he came over again—I am not too certain of that because all of this business is really, there is so much of this jumbled up, but I do believe he said he thought he was living at the "Y."

Mr. Hubert. There was no other person present when you spoke to Hamblen?

Mr. Fenley. There were people in the foyer of the office.

Mr. Hubert. But no one in this conversation?

Mr. Fenley. No one immediately.