Mr. Griffin. Were his pockets emptied?
Mr. Miller. Not that I remember; no.
Mr. Griffin. All right. Now, were you in the jail office when Ruby was taken upstairs?
Mr. Miller. I couldn't be definite on that, because the best I remember it, about the time he was being taken over to the elevator or shortly after, the ambulance came in and picked Oswald up, and I went back out into the basement to help try to keep this crowd of reporters or photographers and what-not out of the way so that they could get the ambulance in and Oswald loaded into it.
Mr. Griffin. Now, how long did you remain out there in the basement area assisting with the photographers?
Mr. Miller. I would say maybe 45 minutes to an hour.
Mr. Griffin. Now, were you there when Officer Dean was interviewed on television?
Mr. Miller. I don't remember Officer Dean being interviewed; no. After the ambulance got out, I went up to the ramp on the Commerce Street side. There were several people up there who claimed to be reporters and photographers and what-not trying to get down into the basement and trying to force their way in, and I went up to assist with that problem.
Mr. Griffin. During this period from the time that Ruby was taken upstairs and all of the time you were down there in the basement, did you talk with anybody about how Ruby got into the basement?
Mr. Miller. It is possible that I did, but I don't—like I say, I don't remember.