Mr. Griffin. There is an opening?
Mr. Griffin. And you can walk into the engineroom there?
Mr. Newman. That's right. Actually walk—in fact, I didn't even know it was there until that morning, but you can walk onto a landing here and then down. The engineroom is some 5 or 10 feet lower than that.
Mr. Griffin. Did you stand in that general area all the time, from the time that Sergeant Dean placed you there until Oswald was shot?
Mr. Newman. No; there was one time when I was called back into the assembly room, back over here. I think they needed some men somewhere else. They picked four or five men and then I was returned to this place [indicating].
Mr. Griffin. How long before Oswald was shot would you estimate that you were pulled off this spot temporarily?
Mr. Newman. Oh, it must have been 45 minutes to an hour.
Mr. Griffin. All right. How long were you away from the area?
Mr. Newman. Five minutes.