Mr. Griffin. But let's take the 10 or 15 minutes before the shooting. Were there any men over by those elevators?
Mr. Newman. Not except the one man. I assume that was his job.
Mr. Griffin. The one man you have marked here with an "R"?
Mr. Newman. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. Now, were you able to tell whether these elevators No. 1 and No. 2 were in operation?
Mr. Newman. No; there is no way I had of knowing. I could see the elevators, but I don't know whether they were in operation.
Mr. Griffin. Did you see anybody go up or down those elevators in the hour that you were at your position?
Mr. Newman. No.
Mr. Griffin. Were you able to tell whether or not this service elevator was in operation?
Mr. Newman. That I don't know either.