Mr. Vaughn. As I recall, with a press card, if I'm not mistaken. I'm not real positive about that.
Mr. Hubert. Do you remember an incident in which a TV man by the name of Jim Turner was involved? He had got out and came back in.
Mr. Vaughn. Well, now, there was two men that went out during the time before the shooting actually happened?
Mr. Hubert. No; I mean after the shooting. Let me see if I can refresh your memory in this way—a WBAP-TV man went out to get some equipment, apparently satisfied you that he could go out, and then when he tried to come back in again, there was another man there, who you were not allowing to pass through, and this other man asked this man Turner to identify him to you; do you recall that incident?
Mr. Vaughn. I recall this—there was, like I said earlier, there was two men that went out and got some camera equipment.
Mr. Hubert. When you said "earlier" you mean before the shot?
Mr. Vaughn. Oh, yes, yes, sir; it was before the shot—it was shortly after I was stationed on the ramp, I would say right around 10 o'clock. They went out and got some camera equipment. I watched them as they went across the street, the car was parked on Main Street, and then the same two men—I made definitely sure of that, and when they come back in, they were carrying equipment—one of these men that was in this—I don't know his name—come back to the entrance of the ramp and looked out and he had a taxicab parked on the north side of Main Street and he waved at that cab and he told me they were waiting, actually, for when the transfer was made and they were going to take this cab to the county, and after the shooting, if I am not mistaken, the same man came back—it was immediately after the shooting, and tried to get back in the ramp—I would not let him in. I told him definitely that nobody could get back down there and he said he had been down there, and I said, "I'm sorry, I can't let you back in," but he had gone back in carrying the equipment and come back and waved at this taxicab driver after that, on the other side of the ramp, and then went back down the ramp, and the next thing I knew he come back from the outside, immediately after the shooting and wanted me to let him back in, and I told him—no.
Mr. Hubert. Do you remember some individual who had a couple of bags and possibly some photographic equipment—he looked something like John Carradine, do you remember that actor, John Carradine, with a wrinkled face?
Mr. Vaughn. No.
Mr. Hubert. This fellow had sort of an overcoat on, a tan overcoat and he tried to get out and apparently you wouldn't let him out there because he didn't have the proper identification, and he called upon a TV man who was coming in and whom you knew apparently, to identify him and the TV man said, "No, I can't identify you."