Mr. Vaughn. No, sir; I didn't notice.
Mr. Hubert. When did you first hear that Ruby was supposed to have passed by you?
Mr. Vaughn. I went immediately, after I took this man to the basement, I seen another officer that was right there in the basement and I asked him—they had already told him to go back to the squad, and so I run on up to 511, which is the patrol office, and Lieutenant Pierce was up there and I asked him if he wanted me to go ahead and stay on that position on the ramp out there, or what he wanted me to do and he said to go ahead and check back in service with the dispatcher and go back to the squad, and that was about, I would say, somewhere around 1 o'clock, and I went on back out and I answered a call, I believe I answered a couple of calls, and I answered one out in East Dallas and while I was out of the car, getting out of the car going up to talk to the people, they called—I heard a call for me to call 401, at Parkland Hospital, which is the officer's room out there at Parkland, and so I went ahead and got the information concerned with the call and I got back to the car and went to the phone and I called. I called Parkland Hospital and talked to Captain Talbert, and Captain Talbert asked me if I had seen Jack Ruby that day and I said, "No." He asked me if I knew him and I said, "Well, I know him to the point that probably if I had met the man on the street in a crowd I wouldn't have recognized him, but to the point that if I had some occasion to talk to him, I believe I would," and he asked me if I had seen him and so I told him "No," and I began to wondering about it and I went on and checked out of service and went to the jail office.
Mr. Hubert. In other words, Captain Talbert did not tell you that there was some idea that Ruby had gone by you and got into the basement in that way?
Mr. Vaughn. Well, he may have possibly stated something like that—I don't recall, actually.
Mr. Hubert. Well, you said a moment ago you got to thinking and worrying about it.
Mr. Vaughn. Well, actually when he asked me if I had seen Ruby that morning—I don't really recall if he said whether that is the way he is supposed to have come in or anything else. Well, I went on, like I said, and I checked out and I went to 511 where I think I seen Lieutenant Pierce and he told me that that's how Ruby said he had come into the basement.
Mr. Hubert. About what time was that?
Mr. Vaughn. Oh, I would say it was somewhere around 2 or 2:30.
Mr. Hubert. Did you ask him who Ruby had told that to?