Mr. Hubert. It was 11:20 just then?
Lieutenant Wiggins. Of course, that is only a matter of seconds.
Mr. Hubert. Now, they passed by you?
Lieutenant Wiggins. As they came down, and as they came off the elevator Captain Fritz was the first man off, and he said, "Are they ready?" And I know that then I stepped out of the door, and I don't recall whether I ever answered him or not, but I stepped out into the corridor first. If I would have answered him I am sure I have—would have told him that it was ready, but I don't recall whether I did or didn't because I presumed they were ready, as everyone else did, and I know I stepped out into the corridor, to the left as you went out the door. I stepped to the left possibly 3 or 4 feet from the door, and they passed me then.
Mr. Hubert. On your right?
Lieutenant Wiggins. Yes, sir; they passed me with Oswald at that time, and had proceeded past me approximately 6 or 7 feet when the incident happened.
Mr. Hubert. Did you see any shooting at all?
Lieutenant Wiggins. I heard the shot, and did see the gun, but at—but not at the time of the shooting. I saw the gun after the officers had grabbed it and had swarmed Jack Ruby.
Mr. Hubert. Describe Jack Ruby coming out of the group.
Lieutenant Wiggins. I saw a man coming out. I had no idea who it was, but, I mean, it happened so quickly I caught it in the corner of my eye, and I saw him out of the corner, saw him coming out of the crowd, but I didn't know at that time who it was.