Mr. Clardy. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert. Do you know Jack Ruby?

Mr. Clardy. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert. How long had you known him, and in what way?

Mr. Clardy. I had known him approximately in the neighborhood of 8 or 9 years.

Mr. Hubert. In what way? How did you come in contact with him?

Mr. Clardy. To the best of my recollection I met him when I went into his place of business that he owned on South Ervay in connection with work, when I was working as a patrolman. I say I met him. I didn't meet him at that time. I knew him, knew who he was. I—first time I was ever introduced to him, shook hands with him, was at—after I went into criminal investigation. Possibly in the early part of 1956. I was looking for someone in connection with an auto theft in the vicinity of one of the places that he owned and he had an interest in the Vegas Club. I'm not sure who I was with, or who introduced——

Mr. Hubert. Could you speak a little louder, please?

Mr. Clardy. I am not sure who I was with, or who introduced me to him at that time. Then approximately—maybe 6 or 8 months before this come up he stopped me downtown one day and started telling me about a traffic ticket he got. Other than that, I had seen him at a distance and had spoke to him. I had seen him quite frequently when I was working late nights where the B and B Club is, that is on Oak Lawn, close to Lemmon. There is one place of business between the Vegas Club and the B and B, and we would go in there quite frequently when we were working late nights, and I have seen him in there on several occasions.

Mr. Hubert. Was your acquaintance with him such that you would recognize him immediately upon seeing him?