Mr. Clardy. I was under the impression that he didn't know what time or how, hisself, at the time.

Mr. Hubert. What caused you to form that impression?

Mr. Clardy. I think we went to get a cup of coffee, and I asked him, and he said, "I don't know."

Mr. Hubert. In other words, the impression that he didn't know what the plans were, actually came from the statement that he himself actually told you to the effect that he didn't know?

Mr. Clardy. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert. All right, then what happened after?

Mr. Clardy. Sometime shortly before 11, they told us to report to the basement.

Mr. Hubert. Smart did?

Mr. Clardy. Lieutenant Smart.

Mr. Hubert. Lieutenant Smart.